Jacob & Jordon George: Veteran Brothers Ride till the End of Wars; Afghanistan Special Ops Report

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Veteran Brothers Ride till the End of Wars; Afghanistan Special Ops Report

Jacob and Jordon George, Flux Rostrum, 01 Jul 2010


Flux Rostrum: Veteran Brothers Ride Till The End of the Wars (11:35)


Flux Rostrum: Afghanistan Special Ops Report (06:12)


A Ride to the End: A Movement for Peace:

Flux Rostrum: A Different World is Possible

Two brothers riding Bikes across the country until the war(s) end.

In trying to write this stuff down and interpret what I was writing down I was eventually able to admit that I was a cultural assassin for the United States Government. That is what the United States Government is training people to do in the Special Operations community. You go into an indigenous society, pretty much a simple society construct and train them to fight or do something for the Government or in the interests of the United States Government. And then like the instance of Afghanistan you try to replace their system of government with our system of government and tell them thats what freedom is and thats how things should work. When that has nothing to do with their lifestyle and how they live. Thats us trying to tell other people how they are supposed to live.

How long with you ride?

Until the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan end and we both understand that could be the course of our lifetimes. I really don’t intend on being a cog in this machine; until this government has decided to admit that they failed, and to admit that we shouldn’t have gone in there in the first place. It is my opinion that it is time for the United States to stop screaming about justice and to start asking for forgiveness. We are obviously getting to a point in this nation where we can no longer pretend like we can control the world. We need to start fixing the problems here. This nation is dissolving around us while we still spend ten to twenty million dollars a week on occupations that are failing. There is some serious lack of critical thinking there within our government. But most of the ride revolves around speaking engagements. We’ll go into a small town or large town and we do whatever community organizing we can in the area. It largely revolves around the political climate. If its a
really conservative military community which we run into in the south often, sometimes small media wont pick up anything that we are saying. Well go to them with a press release, try to talk to them about what we are doing. No, they won’t have anything to do with it, but sometimes there will be an outfit in the local media who will. So if it looks like we can plug something locally we’ll stick around and try to organize a speaking event, try to find other veterans in the area and try to give them the opportunity to speak out also.

Blue Grass Song:
Well Mr. Recruiter
I want to blow shit up
What can you do for me
Can you hook me up?
Well, you can jump out of planes
Learn to fly and ……
You can serve your country
and get paid
Hey Y’ll Sign me Up Man
Now I’m all American
Now I’m all American
Now I’m all American

If we can get them to listen to the music, listen how funny they play bluegrass, but they’re also trashing Uncle Sam at the same time.

Well Mr. Recruiter
I’m stuck in this small town
And I ain’t got no place to go
Can you get me out?
Well, you can pay the rent,
go to college and get the girl
Get your mom to sign your name
and get paid
Y’all Sign me Up
Now I’m all American
Now I’m all American
Now I’m all American

Jordan George AWOL National Guard

I’m AWOL right now protesting the wars.

How is that going for you?

Its going pretty good. So far they haven’t arrested me. I don’t know when the warrants going to come out. Its going to stay statewide for about a month, before it goes nationwide. I don’t go to my state much, so I get a bit of extra time there. But I’d really like to find other veterans and active duty members in the reserves who also don’t like the wars and see if they would like to protest the war with me.

What could happen?

Well there is a couple of things that could happen. I could be discharged just like that and keep it low key. I could go to jail and stay there for a months in a military or state prison, depends on which one they want to use; or I could be made an example of and they could pretty much do whatever they want with me. Its really in their hands, I’ve made my move and now its up to them.

Its my little brother by the way. Its funny when we talk to people like this. You know, do you realize you’re going to go to prison. You’re going to go to jail for a while. We’re like yeah, thats true, but they already trained him to fight and killed between tenth and elventh grade I think sitting in a jail cell for a while is not going to be that hard.

I’m carrying a library: a collection of books.

Yeah I’ve got a book of poetry that I put together that is a bunch of poems that kind of show the transition from nationalist maniac to someone who feels they need to do something about occupation.

Terror: an instance or cause of intense fear or anxiety
Terrorism: violence or threats of violence used for intimidation or coercion.
What is terror?
To us: an abstract concept. A heavily armed man or a harmless insect buzzing here and there each time the wind blows. The more terror we make the more terror we create. How to stop it. Nobody knows.
I ran off a helicopter, looked in a man’s eyes. The face looking back said terror to my surprise. How am I different? I feel the same pain banjo on my porch watching troops jump out of planes. How long will those people suffer? As long as we can tell ourselves their life is not the same.

I was taking a cultural anthropology class and I was trying to write about an experience that I had in Afghanistan, that I kept inside for a long time. I basically ran off a helicopter near the Pakistani border. It was basic security but I looked into the persons eyes and the guy was a farmer, and that dude was absolutely terrified and it was one of my first experiences in the country coming off a helicopter. I was expecting something totally different. I realized this guy is not a combatant. The people around this guy are not combatants. What is going on? How does this work? You know I was still young I was a specialist, I was a teenager. I think I might have just turned 20 actually. That was something that I wrestled with the whole time I was there and when I came home and through making the decisions that I made to stay in or get out. But I really couldn’t express that or articulate those things until I learnt how to write a bit of poetry. I come from a farming family, you know I come from poultry and cattle farmers so I was able to identify with that guy immediately and see what he was seeing. So I was like ‘oh shit’.

You didn’t like what he was seeing?

No I didn’t cause I wouldn’t like that if I was standing there. That made the situation oh so much more complex. Collateral damage is the term used to cope with all those complexities, because they can’t say what they really are. The terrorist looks just like the farmer, you know. But when you have what you have right now a nationalist movement that is formed because of foreign occupation, you have a dangerous situation, because the Pashtun code in itself is one of resistance. I will not allow another man to invade my home, my town, my country. They start in my wifes bedroom and they work their way up.

It makes sense.

Yeah, yes.

Perfectly reasonable.

And they are master resistors.
I worked in a lumber mill lugging bags of concrete. I talked to a recruiter he said hey we can pay you to jump out of airplanes and blow stuff up and that sounded a little funner than what I was doing at the time, so I said ‘hey why not, I’ll give it a shot’. Then I joined, well I wanted to go to 82 Airborne division, so I went to Fort Bragg.

What wound up happening was that a recruiter came around that worked in USSOSOC which is United States Special Operations Command and was asking if anyone wanted to go to a Special Operations Unit, at an in-processing station. They needed a combat engineer and thats what I wasn’t and I wanted to do something like that anyway so I started working in Special Operations.

And all three tours in Afghanistan were in Special Operations community so its kind of what helped shape my opinion of this war and how its really fought in that country.

Why did we go into Afghanistan?

Thats a mystery and its still a mystery. Right now we’re fighting the Taliban. The Taliban didn’t attack the United States. Al Qaeda did. The Taliban was a stabilization force in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda has masterminded the situation where they’ve got the United States dumping ten million a year into fighting a stabilization force in Afghanistan that never even attacked us in the first place and now they constructed a global network of organizations. And they’re basically sitting back and laughing at the United States as we tanker our economy on fighting a nationalist movement.

We probably should have asked why did you spend ten years training to attack us, instead of hey who is the first motherfucker that we can go and kill.

There is a reason they attacked us and there is a reason they picked those two places to attack us. That’s what we need to be asking ourselves.

Why couldn’t we have just sent like a special ops team over there, captured Bin laden and been done with it?

Well that’s what was done actually.

So we do have Bin Laden.

Well everything but the capturing point. A massive amount of special operations were sent into Afghanistan. We were in Uzbekistan at a place called K2 and it was a rudimentary .base at the time. It was pretty much bare. But anyway, its been a special operations war from the beginning.

You watch what happens with people around you when people dissent. They start to question why you’re in the military, especially when working in a unit that is team oriented. And when that happens, you are removed. Your identity is gone. And you watch it happen to other people, so you silently learn the mannerisms and behaviours that you are supposed to have to keep that from happening to you. So you keep it suppressed. And you really don’t talk about it anymore and you don’t show it.

You construct a very complex worldview while you are in the military, especially on active duty when you are doing a twenty four hours a day, 7 days a week and even if you have some moral or ethical conflict with what you are supposed to be doing. What the military does in order to reinforce that is the brotherhood. You know even if you don’t believe in killing the bad guy, you have to believe in taking care of your brother. You know so thats something that kind of helps people to chug along even though they don’t believe in what they are doing. Its really difficult and complex to try and break something like that. You’re trained to think that that is how you have to live and that is what you have to believe. So it takes a lot of fortitude and a lot of drive to break away from something like that and it doesn’t mean there is something wrong with someone if they cant do that, or if they can. There is no real value based judgement to put on someone like that. The only thing you can really acknowledge is that it takes a little bit of courage to admit that you know you have to take some steps beyond what you are trained to do.

You also put alot of faith in the people of this country and this government to not make silly
decisions with your life or with the lives of people you care about because you had the courage to protect to make a self less sacrifice for this nation.

You want to depend on your government to not waste your life, to not waste the life of the people you care about. You are trained to protect the people of this nation and its kind of the situation I found myself in and alot of soldiers found themselves in today. You know there’s been a lot of terrible decisions made with our lives and our innocence and our trust in this system by making that sacrifice.